How the Republican party works. The Mega Power Panel on Cenk Uygur’s the Young Turks, Current TV, January 13, 2012. Video and transcript.

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Cenk Uygur: Now we are going to dive into the body and heart of the GOP, which sounds a little scary, and find out what makes it tick. 

Now Newt Gingrich has been on the attack against Mitt Romney saying that this guy at Bain Capital would come in and clean out your jobs, and they don’t want me to talk about the rich but I’m going to tell you all about it:

Newt Gingrich: Don’t talk about who got all the money. Don’t raise the questions of looking at all of the decisions. Can’t we just move forward, letting the rich keep all of the money.

Cenk Uygur: Look at what the Republicans are talking about, we’re not going to let the rich keep the money. But the rest of the Republican Party is not happy about it. Now this clip of John Sununu, former Governor of New Hampshire, who is one of Mitt Romney’s top surrogates now, is really telling. He’s going to be telling about the people who gave Newt Gingrich money. Of course, Sheldon Adelson is one of those top guys. He’s one of the richest men in the world; he owns a lot of the casinos in Las Vegas. Look at Sununu threatening him:

John Sununu: Does he think that people don’t remember when people attack him and pay for the attacks in the primary, especially when one of the parties that is receiving that attack is the same investment community that he likes to go to to finance his expansions. There is just no commonsense in this process and you kind of feel sorry for people that aren’t that bright.

Cenk Uygur: That Adelson people had a great comeback to that: “yeah, he’s among the top twenty-one richest people in the world. Yeah, there’s no hope for people who are not so bright.”

But look at what he is doing here: he’s threatening these people. He’s saying the way the Republican party works: look, if you are a good boy, we get you a lot of money. If you are a big investor, or need investment like Adelson, the financiers come in for you. If you are Gingrich and you want to get the speaking fees, we will do that for you. But if you are going to go around here breaking the china, you’re done, we are going to cut you off.

Michael Shure: And we’re scared. That’s the other thing. The John Sununus of the Republican Party feel like in Mitt Romney they had their safe candidate. And here he was, we will present him to America, he’s got the polling the best against the President—there was a poll that showed Ron Paul tighter—but in general he is the safe guy. A lot of the Republicans of the John Sununu ilk love the safe guy. And now they panicked because they see the safe guy becoming unsafe from within. It’s like friendly fire and it’s hurting. I think the Republicans are scared.

Cenk Uygur: But I think that it goes deeper than that. Sam, let me go to you again. Look, I think they feel that Romney is their guy. Romney is going to give Wall Street everything that they want. A lot of those financiers that Sununu is referring to are behind Romney, and they thought they had this thing in a good lockdown, and now are saying, why are you [the Republican Party] trying to ruin the good racket that we got going on?

Sam Seder: But I think that it even goes beyond that. Do you remember about a month ago there was a story about Frank Luntz telling Republicans that they should watch out for this rhetoric that’s going out there, coming out from Occupy Wall Street. There have been reports that people have been warning bankers the real problem could be that if the Republicans actually adopt some of this language, I think that this fear goes even beyond some type of Republican loyalty, I think it goes to the heart that there is a real concern that there is something catching fire amongst the American public.

When you see that 66% from that PEW Survey that you talked about yesterday showing that Americans think that the biggest conflict is class conflict. Thing like race, things like age came in the thirties, even immigration was lower than that class conflict, this has got to worry the establishment in this country. And it’s got to really worry them when the Republican party starts talking this way. And so I think that you see not only a fear about what’s happening amongst the Republicans, they are afraid that this is going to unleash something across the country. And I hope they are absolutely right.

Ben Mankiewicz: When I hear John Sununu speak, I feel that Citizens United worked. Because what they were able to do was control people, control their crowd. And now you got a crazy billionaire in whose hotel that I am going to stay in this weekend and he’s throwing $5 million out there and they can’t stop it. And they got no control over this all of a sudden. And it’s speech.

Michael Shure: Adelson said to Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC on election night that it’s the law, that they are allowed to do that. And then O’Donnell asked, do you like this law. And he said, no, but it’s the law, I don’t like it, but it’s the law.

Cenk Uygur: Ben makes a great point. Now we’ve got these three actual maverick guys, unlike the fake mavericks in 2008: you got Adelson (the guy from Vegas that Ben was talking about) who gave $5 million to Newt Gingrich’s Super PAC; you got Foster Friess, who is the big founder of Santorum’s Super PAC—he’s the guy from Wyoming, and Mr. Friess is saying, I don’t what any of you guys think, I am going to give all of the money to Santorum; and then, of course, you have John Huntsman, Sr., backing John Huntsman, Jr., which is understandable. And they are saying, oh, you want us to stop? Nah, I don’t think so.

Ben Mankiewicz: Why: we’re beyond your reach; we are too powerful.

Cenk Uygur: Right. So weigh in here, Jimmy, is Citizens United screwing the Republican party?

Jimmy Dore: It is right now, and it might in the long run, too, because Barack Obama outraised John McCain last time. So it might screw them: who knows. The snake might bite its own head off.

Cenk Uygur: You know what’s interesting? Glenn Greenwald was in favor of Citizens United. You wouldn’t expect that at all, right? In fact, on the Young Turks, we had a debate between Glenn Greenwald and Professor Lessig from Harvard on Citizens United. And Greenwald in an interesting camp said let them all speak and see what happens. Sam, are we seeing it’s an unexpectedly decent point given that now the “establishment” can’t control these guys, and you got these guys saying, I have $5 million, you step aside, I am going to do some serious damage.

Sam Seder: I don’t know. I am not terribly excited about the prospect of just watching billionaires deciding who it is that they want to be President. They are going back and forth. What you are seeing is just how petty these guys are and just how little $5 million means to a guy who has a billion dollars. When I went out to buy this sweater vest, I thought more about that purchase that this guy who dropped $5 million. You know, Newt’s a good guy, he hates Islams, so I will give him $5 million, maybe I’ll give him $50 million, what difference does it make.

Michael Shure: Nobody says Newt’s a good guy.

Sam Seder: Adelson does.

Cenk Uygur: And the irony is, and it’s full of ironies, the rest of the Republicans are kind of pulling for Adelson for the first time in history, saying, okay, going to do some damage to Romney, let’s see how that works out. He’s not a guy that I agree with at all.

But I want to go back to the idea that we started with, which is how the Republican party works.  And I think that this is how they keep people in line with these threats, not just Sununu against Adelson, but much more effectively, Jennifer Rubin of the Washington Post, who is a conservator blogger over there, saying, hey, all these guys who made this documentary about Bain, we are coming for you. She called one of their employers, a PR company, and said, why are you employing this guy who seems to be agreeing with Democrats and Progressives. And the whole system is based on how do you keep people in line.

Jimmy Dore: You know, Tony Blankley passed this week and everybody was talking about how a great guy he was. And he was. He was a nice guy, he was affable, he never yelled when he made his points. People liked to see him at parties and he was a good father and had a nice British accent. But no one is going to say what defined Tony Blankley, which was his inability to tell the truth unless it already lined up with his partisan view.

That’s the thing that kills me about the Republicans. You can have a great career as a right-wing talking head and columnist as long as you never really tell the truth.

Cenk Uygur: That’s exactly it. And David Frum actually said some very similar things. A huge neocon; but when he stepped off the reservation on a couple of points that they didn’t like, he was immediately fired. And he wrote about that: they made the gravy train stop. That’s how they keep everybody in line. It’s the party of the rich, funded by the rich, completely directed by the rich. The only reason that we are having a disagreement now is because a couple of the rich guys went off the reservation.

Jimmy Dore: And if there is a gravy train on the Left, can you point me to it? It’s filled with gravy.

Cenk Uygur: There’s no money. Everybody always talks about Soros. I haven’t seen a dime from Soros. Where are you Soros?

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Are conservatives this week admitting that the country is fundamentally progressive? The Mega Power Panel on Cenk Uygur’s the Young Turks, January 13, 2012, Current TV. Video and transcript.

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Cenk Uygur: Do you know what we are doing tonight? The Mega Power Panel. Michael Shure is here: the Epic Politics Man; the host of 2012 on the TYT Network. Ben Mankiewicz, also with the Young Turks, and also with Turner Classic Movies. Jimmy Dore, the comedian, the host of the Jimmy Dore Show. Sam Seder from New York, the host of the irreverent Majority Report, which I rather enjoy. I think I will call this the People’s Panel.

First topic for the panel: are conservatives this week admitting that the country is fundamentally progressive? My thesis for that is that you have Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, and John Huntsman all talking about breaking up the big banks, Bain Capital, and other terrible things. In fact, other conservatives, like Nikki Haley, are saying, these guys are admitting that progressives are right basically.

Nikki Haley: We have a real problem when we have Republicans talking like them Democrats against the free market. We believe in the free market.

Cenk Uygur: She’s not alone. And then Rush Limbaugh said this on his program about the line of attack against Mitt Romney:

Bain Attack Backlash“You have to say that Newt and Perry blew it the last two days. The attacks that they mounted on Romney are not defensible. This is not conservatism. It’s the polar opposite of conservatism.”

So Michael let me start with you. Isn’t that an interesting admission that some of the leading candidates on the Republican side say conservatism doesn’t appeal to voters. I’m going progressive.

Michael Shure: In a way it kind of justifies everything that we have been saying about Republicans for so long that they just march in lock step with one another. And then you see somebody veer off and go against that and this is what happens. It’s almost like they are against the dogma of Republican politics right now.

So it’s surprising and it is also comforting. Because we could be witnessing possibly the first fracturing of a party that we thought would fracture. I thought that it would fracture from the right. I thought it would fracture because some of what used to be called moderate Republicans (they don’t seem to exist at all anymore, at least elected ones don’t), I thought they were going to separate off. I thought that the really conservative religious zealots were going to be too distasteful for the majority of the party.

It turns out that what’s happening is your hearing some of the conservatives say, what this guy did in Massachusetts when he was working for Bain when he was on Wall Street is indefensible even from our party. So I think that this may be the dawn of the splintering of that party.

Cenk Uygur: Sam, on Thursday here, we talked about how 55% of Republicans either strongly or very strongly feel that there’s income inequality and that there’s a problem among the classes, that there’s a conflict there. So is the reason that Gingrich and Perry and all these guys are going in that direction because even the Republican voters are progressive?

Sam Seder: I don’t know if the Republican voters are progressive but that PEW survey that you cited that number across the board has gone up by 20% in just the past two years. And I think that what that shows is that the message that Occupy Wall Street has been articulating is spreading across the country.

And I think Gingrich and Perry are a little bit desperate. I think Gingrich really hates Mitt Romney, and I think that he knows that that message resonates.

It’s a fracture along the lines in the Republican party between sort of business interests and the financier interests. I welcome it. I don’t know if it will resonate with South Carolina voters but I think that it is something that’s good for the country as a whole because it is amplifying the message that we are getting from Occupy Wall Street and it is amplifying the message that progressives have been saying for years now.

Cenk Uygur: Gingrich is saying, I gotta get votes, so he says, Goddamn rich, they’re screwing us.

Ben Mankiewicz: I don’t think this is a sign of anything. I don’t think it’s a significant fracture in the party. I think it goes to what Sam said, Newt Gingrich hates Mitt Romney, and everybody else hates Newt Gingrich. And that’s essentially what it is.

That Gingrich is incredibly isolated, he is an angry man, he doesn’t listen to anybody, he is prideful, and he thinks that this is the best thing for him and that’s it. And now we are seeing people who you never thought would speak publicly against Newt Gingrich so offended by what Gingrich has done that people like Rush Limbaugh and Nikki Haley are coming out and condemning essentially Gingrich. John Huntsman, who no one is paying attention to, and Rick Perry are just along for the ride.

Cenk Uygur: I’m not buying that. They’re all going populist. Ron Paul is going populist.

Michael Shure: I think that one thing that Sam said we can’t gloss over. I think Ben’s right in large part, because this is about the sort of animus between the two to a degree but this is occupy: this is what the people in the Occupy Movement wanted. It’s part of the national debate right now even so much that the Republicans are talking about it.

And I think that is important. I don’t think you can overlook that for whatever else is involved in this. And the hate between Gingrich and Romney and, like Ben said, between Gingrich and everybody it seems, and it seemed that way for many years….

Jimmy Dore: Nikki Haley said we have a problem when Republicans start attacking other Republicans for free market capitalism. We have a problem when Republicans can start accurately defining the issues. That’s the problem. Oh my God, they are starting to really talk about what’s happening in this economy: we have to stop that, and we have to stop it now.

Cenk Uygur: I think Jimmy is 100% right. They’re panicking: they’re saying, what the hell is the matter with you? Our job is to protect the rich. If you are going to attack the rich, you are basically giving up the game here.

Ben Mankiewicz: I think that the guys who spoke out against this, Rudy Giuliani who spoke out against it and condemned Gingrich, and Nikki Haley, and Rush Limbaugh, and everybody at Fox, Sean Hannity, were so angry at Rick Perry, that eventually that that argument is going to come back and carry the day. Maybe I’m wrong, but if we are still talking about this in a month as we get closer to Super Tuesday, I’d be really surprised.

Sam Seder: The point is that this story is more important six, nine, and fifteen months from now than it will be in the next month. At the end of the day, you are right: Gingrich is going to go away, maybe he will hurt Romney in South Carolina, that remains to be seen, but this is going to be a big toe hold once the nominee is actually established in the Republican party because this puts pressure on Obama: you cannot be outflanked on the left by Newt Gingrich. It’s going to really hurt him unless he adopts some of this rhetoric because this is going to have more importance down the road than I think it even does now.

Cenk Uygur: Sam, I am glad you brought up Obama because I am going to go back to my central thesis: before the elections, give me the money, what do you need me to do; banker X, I will do this; banker Y, I will do that. But when the elections come around, all of a sudden everybody is a lying progressive. President Obama is talking about the 99%, but he still does Jacob Lew as Chief of Staff so he is not really acting on that, he is just talking the talk.

Huntsman is talking about how he is going to break up the big banks. That’s way left of Obama. If you told Obama let’s break up the big banks, he’d say, oh my God, please don’t do it: Tim Geithner told me not to do it. Ron Paul is way to the left of them on so many other issues. It turns out when you got to go get votes, you realize….

PEW Research just did a recent poll: what political title has the most positive ramifications? Conservative comes in number two. Number one in the country, 67% say progressive. It’s a fundamentally progressive country and these politicians know it.

Jimmy Dore: It’s funny because when Rush Limbaugh says that these attacks on Mitt Romney are indefensible, the reason why that he is upset about them is because they are defensible. If they were indefensible, nobody would care. They are very defensible, and that’s why they hate Ron Paul, too because half the stuff he says is defensible. If it were indefensible, nobody would care.

Cenk Uygur: That’s exactly right. When we come back, what makes the GOP tick because there is one clip that I really need you to see because it is an excellent indication of how the Republican party works.

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The conflict between the rich and the poor has become very strong over the past two years.

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Conflict between Rich and PoorCenk Ugur: We’ve got a new PEW Research Center study out saying that Americans are pissed about the state of our economic inequality. In fact, since 2009 things have gotten much, much worse. The conflict between the rich and the poor is either strong or very strong: now 66% of the American people. It was just at 47% in 2009. In just two years people have caught on as to what Warren Buffett said, we’ve got class warfare and unfortunately the upper class is winning. And they get the sense of injustice, and they are totally right about that.

Why the Rich are RichBut another interesting question in the PEW study was about why are rich people rich. That had an interesting answer. 46% said that they knew the right people or were born into wealth. 43% said that they work hard, ambition, or they got an education. 8% said both equally or neither.

Henry PaulsonA lot of those numbers are right. Some people were born rich, like George W. Bush whose father was rich; and some people earned it: Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc. But those people are not the issue here. And I don’t want anybody to generalize. Don’t hate the rich: that’s the craziest thing ever. Your local doctor is richer than the plumber. That’s okay: everybody gets that; nobody is opposed to that.

The question is, is there a certain subset of the rich who got there unfairly? Who fixed the system to be able to do that? And the answer to that unfortunately is yes. And that’s what people are angry about. In fact, I’ll give you just a couple of examples of what we are discussing.

Remember Hank Paulson? He was the CEO for Goldman Sachs, the head of one of the largest financial institutions in the country. And when he was there he had made $567 million from Goldman Sachs. He went over to the Treasury Department, where he was the head of the Treasury for the Bush administration, and what did he do? He gave Goldman Sachs a $13 billion backdoor bailout from AIG after the economic collapse. And that is one of so many different things that Hank Paulson and his cronies inside the Treasury Department and at the Fed did during the bailouts.

Now you have to understand why that is so unfair. What does a backdoor bailout mean? Goldman Sachs basically had made a bet that AIG in case of a disaster would be able to pay them. It turns out that AIG went bankrupt. They shouldn’t have been able to pay them at all. In those cases, with the conservatives saying, free market, you lose all of your money, it’s bad news for you. But in this case, it wasn’t. It was a sad day for us because the former CEO of Goldman Sachs was the Treasury Department head so he talked to Tim Geithner, among others, and said not only are we going to have this bankrupt company pay back Goldman Sachs with taxpayer money but we are going to do it at 100%.

That’s crazy. No way in a business deal when a company goes bankrupt and they owe a certain amount of money that they pay 100% of that. They went bankrupt. They pay at best a small percentage of that money. That’s normal business. But in this case we did not have normal business. They took $13 billion of your money, they took it out of our pockets, and they gave it to Goldman Sachs because the guy running the shop was from Goldman Sachs and had made over $500 million from Goldman Sachs.

That’s what we are angry about because they fixed the system. They took our money. If you made your own money, God bless your heart, we are all Americans, we have no problem with that.

Now in one other example is how they fixed the tax system. The Walton family is unbelievable. Do you know that six heirs of Sam Walton, who created Walmart, have the equivalent in wealth of 100 million Americans? Just six people have the wealth of 100 million Americans. So what have they been doing? They have been arguing all this time that the estate tax needs to be lowered. Why? Because the estate tax is so important to the Walton family. When their father passed away, they needed it to be lowered so that they could get paid more even though they weren’t the ones who had set up the business.  And when their kids are going to get the money from them–those kids didn’t do anything to set up the business either–but they are all going to get fabulously wealthy, and they want to be even richer.  So what do they do?  They buy politicians.  [Of course!]

From 1999 to 2006 alone, the Walton family spent over $10 million lobbying to lower taxes, especially the estate tax.  $10 million is a lot of money, but where did it get them? Combined with the expenditures from other rich families and other rich interests that gave money to all these politicians, they succeeded:  in 2010, as part of the tax cut deal, the Obama administration agreed with the Republicans that the estate tax should be lowered from 55% to 35%!

What did the Walton family gain from that? Given that they have a fortune of $84 billion, if you do the math, they gained about $16.8 billion. If you give about $10 million to buy some politicians, you get about $17 billion in return.  [Not a shabby return on one's investment, is it?]

There’s nothing wrong with the Walton family making their money. But when they fix the system so that they don’t pay their fair share, and their grandchildren don’t pay their fair share on money that they didn’t even earn, their grandpapa earned, it isn’t right!  That’s what Americans are now upset about.  That’s what they recognize.  Unfortunately almost none of our politicians recognize that because they are the guys who got bought by these rich interests.  [It's legalized bribery.]

So it’s our job to point it out here.  It’s part of the reason we call this place rebel headquarters because that is what we are talking about when we say that we are against the establishment.  The Hank Paulsons of this country are robbing us blind.  The Waltons pay less taxes, as the average guy pays more taxes.  [America is a great country, isn't it...if you happen to be rich.]

Warren Buffett has put out a call to many of the executives of the top companies saying if you can show that you pay more in taxes than your secretary does as a percentage of your income, that he will give them a tremendous amount of money. None of them have taken him up on it. Why? Because they all pay less than you in taxes as a percentage. Why? They fix the system. They bought our politicians.

Unfortunately we don’t have a representative democracy anymore.  That’s what we got to fight back against.

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When Mitt Romney Came to Town: Full Video Version

If this is capitalism, wealth for the few, the elite 1%, at the expense of the working class, 99% of Americans, then ask yourself: is our capitalistic system working? Does creative destruction enhance profitability? Isn’t Mitt Romney a Gordon Grekko? Do you want Gordon Grekko in the Oval Office as the President of the United States?

But in all fairness to Mitt Romney, would any other Presidential candidate be any different?  Wouldn’t Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, John Huntsman, and even Ron Paul allow the continued consolidation of corporate companies, which have been closing down subsidiaries, laying off staffs, destroying jobs, in order to restructure for more corporate profits? 

And has President Barack Obama acted any differently as President?  Has Obama enforced the Sherman Anti-Trust Act?  Has he proposed the re-enactment of Glass-Steagall?  Isn’t Obama also controlled by the banksters and Wall Street?

In fact, isn’t our entire Congress, except for a very few like Bernie Sanders, in the hands of Wall Street, on the corporate payroll?

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Susan Bysiewicz has published her Accountability Plan for reforming and fixing America’s economy and government in Washington. A Review by the Barefoot Accountant.

A couple of weeks ago, Susan Bysiewicz, a Democratic primary candidate for the United States Senate from Connecticut, published a thirty-four (34) page governmental plan to assist the middle class of America and hold Wall Street corporate special interests accountable. She has named the plan, the Susan Bysiewicz Accountability Plan, or more simply, Susan’s Plan.

I read the plan, and I am impressed with some of its key components. Sadly, the plan has not yet received widespread and detailed coverage in the media. Perhaps thirty-four pages of specific proposals, comprehensive in scope, filled with statistics, and supported by countless references to articles by progressive economists and others, is too much for many readers and media editors to wade through. Consequently, I intend to provide an interpretation of her plan herein for those wishing an explique of her plan.

It is important to note that Congressman Chris Murphy has not published a plan of what he intends to promote and accomplish if elected Senator of the United States.  In fact, of the approximately ten (10) senatorial races scheduled for 2012, I know of no other candidates publishing a plan and detailing in one written document what they intend to endorse if elected.  For that alone, Susan Bysiewicz deserves a letter grade of “A”.

At the core of Susan Bysiewicz’s plan is a nominal (as low as .01%) “transaction tax” to be levied on speculative trading on Wall Street.  Although a very modest tax, Susan Bysiewicz, an economics and history major at Yale University prior to her attainment of a law degree from Duke University, projects that the tax would raise at least $150 billion annually in tax revenues.

She justifies the imposition of a transaction tax on the grounds that it would reduce the casino-like, irrationally exuberant, gambling element of trading occurring on Wall Street, producing needless volatility in market prices of stocks and bonds and, as a result, contributing to investment risk.   A transaction tax has been implemented in the United Kingdom and in other G-20 nations, and empirical evidence has shown that it would not impair the financial markets at all.  In fact, the United States previously had imposed such a tax for decades, from 1914 through 1966, while Republicans like Bob Dole and George Bush had previously endorsed a securities trading tax as well, even though they were Republicans.  Since Wall Street was ultimately responsible for the economic tsunami that occurred in 2008 and has been with us ever since, Susan Bysiewicz reasons that it should help pay back some of the costs borne by the middle class of America as well as be penalized for its knowing sale of “shit-backed” [my wording] mortgage securities, considering the fact that not one Wall Streeter has ever been indicted nor imprisoned for its fraudulent acts.

The funds from the transaction tax would finance two of the plan’s key economic components designed to return our country from the “depression” in which we currently find ourselves:  (1) a homeownship refinancing program to assist owners of mortgages “under water”; and (2) a clean energy program mandating that public utilities are forced to purchase renewable energy at contractually set prices.

I recall a similar homeownership refinancing plan being promoted at the end of 2008 and in early 2009, predicated on the government buying salvageable mortgages (that is, those in which the homeowner had the likelihood of servicing the mortgage if it were simply restructured), issuing 10 year treasury bills to finance the purchases, and then charging the homeowner an increased rate of a fraction of a percent higher than the treasury rate for the term of the mortgage.  The proposal’s appeal was multifold:

  1. It would not result in a permanent increase to the National Debt since the treasury bills would be serviced by the payments received from the homeowners;
  2. It would attack the principal cause of the economic tsunami, the subprime mortgages;
  3. It would stop the spiraling decline in housing prices;
  4. It would rejuvenate the housing industry and create more jobs;
  5. It would increase the liquidity of the banks in order to spur more commercial lending, and thereby aid the recovery.

Susan Bysiewicz’s plan is similar but different in one respect.  Rather than focusing on lower interest rates, it would focus on lowering the principal balance remaining on these troubled mortgages to levels just below the current market values of the homes.  This, of course, would lower the mortgage payments of the homeowners and help keep them in their homes.  However, instead of issuing treasury bills to buy the mortgages, the government would pay for a refinancing of the mortgage and subsidize the excess of the mortgage balance over the remaining collaterized equity in the home with a portion of the revenues from the transaction tax.

The other key component of Susan Bysiewicz’s economic plan is her clean energy program, again largely financed by that tiny transaction tax (perhaps I should dub it the “ttt” or “TTT” element of her plan).  This plan would require utilities to purchase renewable energy from businesses, homeowners, et al, providing grid access to producers.  Again a portion of the transaction tax would finance the higher initial costs of electricity from clean sources until the technology develops to make it competitive to fossil fuels.  Since grid upgrades would be needed by utilities to provide access to the producers of this clean energy, the plan would rely on a national infrastructure bank to finance their cost; however, Susan Bysiewicz’s plan does not provide any further details on this national infrastructure bank.

For me, the transaction tax, the homeownership vesting plan, and the clean energy contracts program represent the economic heart of Susan Bysiewicz’s accountability plan.  But there are other components to the plan which I will attempt to summarize below.

The plan advocates ending the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy, the removal of the tax loopholes for large corporations, and the taxing of hedge fund compensation as ordinary income, with no portion receiving capital gains treatment.  The tax loopholes mentioned in Susan’s plan include the offshore tax havens currently available to corporations  in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, Bahamas, etc., the tax subsidies to the oil and gas industry, the ethanol tax break for giant agribusinesses, the currently allowable deductions for extravagant entertainment, and the tax deferral of foreign source income, permitting corporations to offset federal income tax with foreign income taxes.  The latter tax corporate loophole is especially troubling to me since it encourages foreign rather than domestic investment.  In contrast, domestic corporations with no operations overseas do not receive comparable tax credits for state income taxes paid but merely a tax deduction.  Dollar for dollar, a tax credit is much more advantageous than a tax deduction since it minimizes taxes considerably, by about 65% on foreign source income.  So, logically, the question is why should corporations with foreign operations receive this more favorable tax treatment for its foreign operations as compared to its domestic operations?  Should they be so rewarded for investing in China and exporting our jobs overseas?

Another key part of Bysiewicz’s plan is her proposed attack on the corporate lobbyist control of government, including a ban on earmarks, contributions and gifts from lobbyists to members of Congress, a constitutional amendment to overturn the Citizen’s United Decision and reverse the flood of corporate money into elections, and a five-year ban (instead of the current one year) on members of Congress from becoming lobbyists as well as on lobbyists from becoming members of Congress or senior congressional staff.  This component attacks the core of the corruption in Washington today, the influence of monied interests over governmental officials.  It is needed today more than ever since our government has become transformed through legalized bribery into a plutocracy from a democracy.

The remaining chapters of Susan Bysiewicz’s plan for America’s reform propose the return of American troops from Afghanistan and Iraq as well as the closing of many military bases in Europe and Japan, and immigration reform, since the latter system is broken, failing to enforce the laws and fostering a shadow economy.

All in all, the Accountability Plan of Susan Bysiewicz is progressive, specific, comprehensive, and scholarly:  it is supported by facts, statistics, and proposals by noted economists.  Susan’s plan demonstrates her avowed commitment to reform.  However, there are some obvious omissions from her plan from an aggressive progressive point of view:

  1. There is no mention of the need for the re-enactment of the Glass-Steagall Act.  I found this omission disappointing, if not egregious, since the marriage of commercial and investment banking not only precipitated the Great Depression but also our very own in 2007, in light of the fact that it occurred merely within eight years of its repeal in 1999.
  2. There is no mention of the need to revamp our trade agreements.  We need a level playing field in which to compete.  Our trade deficit continues to grow each year and our jobs continue to be outsourced overseas.  Why not propose an international minimum wage since we now have a global economy, and such an economy demands some minimal standards of fair play and human decency.  By exploiting and hiring labor in Cambodia at $.22/hour, or in China at $.25/hour, are we not all guilty of condoning slavery?  All humans deserve a minimal standard of living, including those in shanties in Southeast Asia and India.
  3. There is no mention of a large-scale infrastructure program.  Obama in his recent jobs bill merely proposed a meager $140 billion investment in infrastructure, when economists are calling for an investment of at least $1.5 trillion to $2 trillion.  America is now one of the shabbiest industrial leaders in terms of infrastructure.  Such an investment would create millions of jobs, improve our capital assets, spur research and development, and spawn new industries.
  4. There is no mention of a major jobs bill like CETA or the WPA.  Extensions of unemployment benefits do little to restore hope and dignity to those who are unemployed.  Nor do they provide the on-the-job training necessary for those to be hired if and when the economy ever improves.  I got my first job on CETA; my father obtained his first job on the WPA.  These programs work.  And Americans want to work.

I cannot help but suspect that from their omission in her plan Susan fears being perceived as too progressive, pushing the envelope too far, alienating certain voters, or being labeled a radical.  Or perhaps she is not as aggressive as a progressive as I am or feels that full employment is attainable with a transaction tax, homeownership vesting program, and clean energy bill.  I disagree:  much, much more will be needed to achieve full employment.  More Elizabeth Warrens and Alan Graysons are needed in office today now more than ever.  And being labeled as a bold progressive has not hurt them:  rather, it has helped both of their campaigns.  I predict both Warren and Grayson will win their seats.

I urge Susan Bysiewicz not to hold back.  The American people are hungry for an authentic leader for real reform.  This is not the time to be perceived as too careful, too conservative, too calculating.  This is the moment for advocacy, for authenticity, for ardor.  And the depression (Susan’s own characterization of our circumstances today) now demands drastic, dramatic action, since the time for action was three years ago.

This was the failure of President Barack Obama, who campaigned on “hope and change” and “change you can believe in”.  Unfortunately, we do not see the change because he played it too safe, conceded early, failed to fight the good fight, agreed to too little.  Consequently our depression continues.  President Obama has not been bold enough:  he failed to walk the talk, and that is why many progressives have become disenchanted, if not disillusioned, with President Obama.  And so his presidency is now at risk.

And neither has Chris Murphy been progressive enough for me.  I recall attending one of his teleconferences in the summer of 2009 and hearing him urge patience to his Congressional constituents when they were losing their jobs, health insurance, and unable to pay their mortgages.  I heard him reiterate his faith in our present capitalistic system and the need for time for it to work.  I recall him saying that governments do not create jobs, businesses do.  But what if the jobs are being created everywhere but here?  I failed to hear Chris Murphy then propose major dramatic change and reform, a call to action, for all of us without employment and health insurance and on the verge of losing our homes.  It was at that moment in time I started to lose faith and hope in Congressman Chris Murphy.

In spite of his recent votes against the extension of the Bush tax cuts and the Defense Authorization Act, the fact that the securities and investment industry has been one of the top three industry donors to him concerns me.  How can I have confidence in him to vote for the re-enactment of the Glass-Steagall Act under those circumstances?  Is it any surprise that Representative Chris Murphy voted against H.R. 4213, “The American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act of 2010”:  a bill that would have ended a tax break for executives of investment funds, leading hedge funds, private equity firms and venture capitalists; a bill that would have changed the tax treatment of “carried interest,” which is the portion of a fund’s investment gains taken by fund managers as compensation, permitting those monies to be taxed at the capital gains tax rate of 15% instead of at the ordinary income tax rate of 35%?

Is it any wonder that President Obama, too, never followed through with his campaign promises to enact much tougher reforms of Wall Street when Goldman Sachs (or should we say, Government Sachs) was his largest contributor in 2008?  Is it any wonder that Congress has become a wholly-owned subsidiary of Wall Street and the multinational corporations with billions of dollars pouring into the campaigns of our elected officials via lobbyists, PACs, and contributions?

So when Congressman Chris Murphy repeatedly refused to grant me a short interview, saying he was too busy attending to the business of Washington, I could only suspect that, like most politicians, he was merely too busy raising money for his next campaign.

In contrast, Susan Bysiewicz had made herself readily available to each request for an interview.  I like that.  I appreciate her accesssibility:  isn’t that encouraging to the electorate, that a representative will make oneself available to one’s constituents?  I have never received the courtesy of a reply from Chris Murphy himself to my repeated requests for an interview.  Again, Susan Bysiewicz receives an “A” grade for her accessibility to the public for whom she intends to serve.  And I deeply thank her for her generosity.

I encourage all Connecticut residents and voters to read and study Susan Bysiewicz’s plan.  Several of its core features are great proposals.  Overall I give the plan an “A” grade, but with the proviso, “need for improvement”.  Yes, Susan, this is your plan, but all plans should be dynamic, not cast in stone, and as you prefaced at the commencement of the interview today, this plan evolved from listening to your constituents.  I urge you to continue listening to your constituents and to keep your plan open to further suggestions and improvements.

The Barefoot Accountant

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Cenk Uygur: President Barack Obama failed the economic recovery with a stimulus package too small

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Obama failed recovery with small stimulus packageCenk Uygur: Now I want to turn to a domestic issue here that is related to the economy. This is one of my pet peeves. Jay Carney was on the “Morning Joe” program and they asked him about how deep the recession is. Let’s listen to his answer and then I am going to set him straight.

Jay Carney: There was not a single, main stream, Wall Street, academic economist who knew at the time in January of 2009 just how deep the economic hole was that we were in. At that point we thought that we had shrunk by 3% in the fourth quarter of 2008, the last quarter that George W. Bush was President. As you know now, and I know now, it was 9%.

Cenk Uygur: No one could have seen it coming! This is what every government official has said for the last ten years. Hurricaine Katrina: no one could have seen it except the weatherman. Iraq war going disasterously: no one could have seen it except all of the people who did see it. And that list goes on and on.

Now the recession. Now it is funny that he says January of 2009 because right at that moment here are all of the economists who said it was terrible.

Paul Krugman: he said that the plan to jump start the economy was “nowhere near big enough”…it was “unlikely to close more than half of the looming output gap”. And he said it was “the most dangerous economic crisis since the Great Depression.” But nobody could have seen it coming. Do you think it is just Krugman?

Martin Feldstein, Harvard professor and former economic adviser to Ronald Reagan: he said “this recession is likely to last longer and be more damaging than any since the depression of the 1930′s.” But nobody could have seen it coming.

James Galbraith: “there are many good reasons to think” that America is in “a true financial crisis of the type in the 1930s.” But nobody could have seen it coming.

These are all in January and February of 2009.

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics: “the economy appears headed toward its worst downturn since the Great Depression.” But nobody could have seen it coming.

Look, they say that to avoid responsibility. The reality is many progressives in this country said your stimulus package is way too small, and you did not listen. Instead you listened to Tim Geithner, who said, hey, you know what? Make a third of it tax cuts.

Instead you gave into Republicans. Okay, okay, okay, we will keep it under a trillion dollars. We don’t want to overspend.

And what happened? We have unemployment that at this point not only near 9% but as you will find out later in the show in reality it is closer to 11%. It was too small, and people saw it coming. You just didn’t listen to them because you listened to the establishment and not the progressives.

I am telling you that as a friend because you got to turn around; you got to change course.

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What caused the economic collapse, recession, depression, in 2008? How did Wall Street bring on America’s economic collapse?

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Hank Paulson and the Treasury Department from Too Big to FailLehman exacerbated AIG.   The simultaneous payouts of Collateralized Debt Obligations (CDOs) and Credit Default Swaps (CDSs) put catastrophic pressure on AIG. 

Wall Street started bundling home loans together as mortgage-backed securities and selling slices of those bundles to investors.  And they were making big money.  So they started pushing the lenders saying, “come on, we need more loans.” 

The lenders already had given loans to borrowers with good credit so they went bottom feeding:  that is, they lowered their criteria.   Before you needed a credit score of 620 and a down payment of 20%; later they would settle for 500, no money down.  And the buyer, the regular guy on the street, assumed that the experts knew what they were doing.  He said to himself, “if the banks are willing to loan me money, I must be able to afford it.”  So he reached for the American Dream:  he bought that house. 

The banks knew that securities based on shit-bagged mortgages were risky.  So to control their downside, the banks started buying a kind of insurance.  If mortgages defaulted, the insurance company would pay:  “default swaps”.  The banks insured their potential losses to move the risk off their books so they could invest more, and make more money.  While a lot of companies insured their stuff, one was dumb enough to take on an almost unbelievable amount of risk:  AIG. 

Why did they do that?  Fees!  Hundreds of millions in fees.  AIG figured that the housing market would just keep going up. 

But then the unexpected happened:  housing prices went down.  Why?  The poor bastards who bought their dream houses, when the teaser rates on their mortgages ran out, their payments went up beyond what they could afford to pay, and they defaulted.  And with the high default rates, the supply of existing housing on the market dramatically increased, driving prices down.  As a result of the spiraling increases in defaults, and the falling prices in housing prices, the mortgage-backed securities tanked, and AIG not only had to pay off the swaps, but it had to pay all of them  off, all over the world, and all at the same time.  Needless to say, AIG could not pay, and therefore AIG went under. 

Since AIG had insured a great number of banks, they all booked massive losses at the same time.  And many of them, in turn, went under.  And the whole financial system came tumbling down in 2008.

You may wonder, why wasn’t it regulated?  The simple answer is that no one in the financial services industry wanted it regulated.  They were all making too much money.

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Is Sarbanes Oxley dead? Why are financial fraud investigations down 57% after the biggest financial fraud in our country’s history?

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Cenk Uygur, Host of the Young Turks, Current TVCenk Uygur:  You often hear the excuse from the government:  “Well, we would love to do the financial fraud cases but we just don’t have the resources and besides we have been awfully tough on the banks.”  Laugh along with me. 

But Steve Kroft on 60 Minutes actually did a very good story where he talked to Larry Brewer who is the head of the Criminal Division at the Department of Justice, and he asked him about the Sarbanes Oxley Act.  The Sarbanes Oxley Act is an act that says CEOs have to sign on saying they are not committing any fraud in this company, and if it turns out not to be true, they get up to five years in prison.

Now with this financial collapse, companies like Countrywide where there was widescale fraud is a perfect place to use the Sarbanes Oxley Act to hold those top executives accountable.  And Kroft asks him here in this segment of the interview why he didn’t do this.

Steve Kroft:  Do you lack confidence of bringing cases under Sarbanes Oxley?

Larry Brewer, Head of the Criminal Division, Department of JusticeLarry Brewer:  Steve, no one has really accused this Department of Justice or this Division or me of lacking confidence.  If you look at the prosecutors all over the country, they are bringing record cases with respect to all kinds of criminal laws.  Sarbanes Oxley is a tool but it’s only one tool. 

Cenk Uygur:  No one is accusing you?  I’m accusing you.  And record cases?  That simply isn’t true.  In fact, we have the numbers to show you.

Prosecutions of Financial FraudA Syracuse study actually looked into this and they found out that the prosecution of federal financial cases went from a high of about 3,500 cases in 1999 down to 1,251 cases in 2011, and 1,365 cases in the last full year of 2010. So that number went way down, not up:  fraud cases down 57%.  So what happened to the fearsome Obama Department of Justice that no one accused of not following through on these cases?  I accuse you because I have the numbers.

State Fraud InvestigationsA lot of people will say, Cenk, you don’t understand, there is nothing that they can do, they just don’t have the resources.  Really?  Interesting because David Sirota points out in an article in the Washington Post today about when the government goes after food stamps.  It turns out that when they are going after food stamp fraud, they’ve got plenty of resources. 

USDA Undercover InvestigationsIn fact, at the state level in 2010 they conducted 847,000 fraud investigations.  Okay that’s the state level, but how about the federal level?  Nearly 5,000 undercover investigations, which take longer, 5,000 versus only 1,200 against the financial executives.  Gee, I wonder where their priorities are; I can’t quite tell.

By the way, do you know how much there is in food stamp fraud in the country?  $753 million.  Now that sounds like a lot, and I want you to pursue that, I don’t want there to be fraud at that level, but the banks did not do millions, they did billions, not billions, sometimes trillions of dollars from us.  That’s much more important but somehow you just can’t find the resources for it.

Anita McLemoreMatt Taibbi also had a good piece about this.  He talked about a mother of two in Mississippi, named Anita McLemore, she apparently asked for food stamps when she had a criminal record, having been busted on drugs before.  How dare you?  Apparently you can’t feed your kids if you have a criminal record from before.  So they said, this is fraud.  We got you.  How much fraud did she do?  She did $4,367 of fraud.  Not millions, not billions, not trillions, just $4,367 worth of fraud.  Do you know how much she got?  She got three years in prison.

Here’s what Judge Wingate said when sending her away:  

“The defendant’s criminal record is simply abominable …. She has been the beneficiary of government generosity in state court.”

Well, how about the guys that have been the beneficiary of trillions of dollars at the federal level?  No, we don’t have resources for them.  We have to go after mothers of two who are trying to feed their kids.

Money Spent on War on Drugs in 2010But there are other things that we spend our money on.  How much money did we spend on the war on drugs?  $15 billion that the federal government spent:  that’s $500 a second.  You see, when you have the resources, apparently you know where to spend them.  $25 billion at the state and local level as well.  So $40 billion for the war on drugs, but for financial fraud, golly gee willickers, we just ran out of time and money, we were just about to get to it after the war on drugs and food stamp fraud.

Do you know how much they spent in New York City just evicting Occupy Wall Street?  $13 million.  But golly when it comes to Goldman Sachs, what’s weird is that they  just ran out of time.

By the way, Goldman Sachs, I believe, was the number one contributor to Barack Obama’s campaign in 2008.  A wild coincidence I’m sure.

Now let me explain something to you.  It’s not like I think Obama is personally corrupt like he gets in a smoked-filled room with Lloyd Blankfein and says, how do you want me to cheat the system for you.  He’s not Blago, right?  But it is that he responds to financial incentives probably often at times not even recognizing it. 

Campaign finance reform is at the root of all of this.  Until that is changed, you are going to be going for the person or the company that has the money on you.  And that’s just the way it works.   Until that is fixed, until Citizens United is turned over, until there is a constitutional amendment, that’s the root of the problem, nothing is going to change priorities wise.

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Cenk Uygur on President Obama’s born-again Progressivism. Obama does not walk the talk.

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Cenk Uygur on Barack Obama's ProgressivenessCenk Uygur:  President Obama is in Kansas yesterday, and something surprising happened:  he gave a really progressive speech.  Okay, that’s fantastic.  But as you read or heard the speech, I thought, I wish he meant it.  So what I am going to do is break down the speech and show you what he said and what he has actually done over the last three years.  So let’s look at the first part.

President Obama:  born-again Progressive?President Barack Obama:  For most Americans, the basic bargain that made this country great has eroded.  Long before the recession hit, hard work stopped paying off for too many people.  Fewer and fewer people who contributed to the success of our economy actually benefitted from that success.  Those at the very top grew wealthier from their incomes and investments, wealthier than ever before.

Cenk Uygur:  Yeah, that sounds great.  The only question is, what did you do about it in the last three years.  And let me tell you the real record.  When it came to hedge fund managers, they get a 15% tax rate, which is lower than that of the average American.  When it came to capital investment, dividend investment…capital investment is over 50% for just the top 1%…that tax rate is also at 15%, and also less than that of the average American.  So why did they get to keep all those tax breaks under this so-called progressive administration?

Meanwhile trillions in spending cuts, including heating assistance to poor families who are now getting totally cut off:  in New Jersey there are a quarter of a million families who need heat in the middle of winter who won’t be getting it….So why did you maintain that system?  I wish that you really believed what you were saying.  Now let’s go to the next clip.

President Barack Obama:  Remember in those years, in 2001 and 2003, Congress passed two of the most expensive tax cuts for the wealthy in history, and what did it get us?  The slowest job growth in half a century.

Cenk Uygur:  Alright, that’s true.  So why did you renew those Bush tax cuts?!  I know what your answer is:  Oh my God, the Republicans made me do it.  But if the Republicans make you always do what they want, then why did we elect a progressive president?  So I can’t believe that you are talking about the Bush tax cuts when you agreed to extend the Bush tax cuts.  To me, all this talk is fine but you gotta walk the talk, and he didn’t do it.  Now watch this next part.

President Barack Obama:  We all know the story by now.  Mortgages sold to people who couldn’t afford them, or even sometimes understand them.  Banks and investors allowed to keep packaging the risks and selling it off.  Huge bets and huge bonuses made with other people’s money on the line.  Regulators who were supposed to warn us about the dangers of all of this but looked the other way. 

The White House Office of Information and Regulatory AffairsCenk Uygur:  Right.  So what did you do with the regulators?  Under Bush, I agree with you that the regulators were totally relieved of duty, basically.  There’s a little office called the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.  What it does is after the regulations are passed in the different departments, it waters them down.  So under Bush, 64% of the regulations got watered down, which is terrible, right?   Under Obama, it was 76%:  it was more!!!  Why did you water down regulations more than Bush did?  That doesn’t make any sense? 

EPA Regulations Watered Down under ObamaHow about for the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency.  84% of the regulations were watered down.  So where are those regulators that you were talking about?  I wish you meant it but you didn’t.  Here’s another part.

President Barack Obama:   Now in the midst of this debate, there are some who seem to be suffering from some kind of collective amnesia.  After all that’s happened, after the worst economic crisis, the worst financial crisis, since the Great Depression, they want to return to the same practices that got us into this mess.  In fact, they want to go back to the same policies that stacked the deck against middle class Americans for way too many years. 

Cenk Uygur:  So why are you letting them?  Now let me tell you the record.  The number of fraud cases brought by Obama’s Justice Department is lower than the number brought by Bush’s Justice Department.  We got the stats on that in the next segment of our broadcast.  When you talk about how the banks are doing their business, Obama talks a half of a mean game about it, but then when he turns around, they can still do the derivatives trading just like they could before, the banks are even larger than they were before, and they still gamble with our money.  So what did you do to fix it?

Fed loans to banks versus homeownersBut when elections come around, all of a sudden Obama sounds like a progressive.  Now let me show you a chart which is absolutely stunning.  The big banks got $7.7 trillion from the Fed, and, of course, they got another $700 billion from TARP.  And what did they get for the homeowners, the guys that Obama says that he’s looking out for now?  $2.6 billion. 

So where were you when the time was for walking and not just for talking?  And now the last part that annoyed or enraged me the most.

President Barack Obama:  Inequality also distorts our democracy.  It gives an outsized voice to the few, who can afford high-priced lobbyists, unlimited campaign contributions, and it runs the risk of selling out our democracy to the highest bidder.  It leaves everyone else rightly suspicious that the system in Washington is rigged against them.  That our elected officials are not looking out for the interests of most Americans.

Cenk Uygur:  But what did you do about it?  I thought that was the whole point of your campaign in 2008.  That’s why I was excited by it.  But was there a single campaign finance reform legislation?  Public financing?  Nothing.  Taking on corporate personhood?  Nothing.  Unlimited corporation donations?  Every once in a while he would say, “oh, it’s not a good thing.”  But what did he do about it?  What legislation did he push?  Nothing.  That is what is so frustrating.

Now you might ask, if he doesn’t act progressive, why is he talking progressive?  That’s because an election is coming up.  In fact, a guy who has an online show actually predicted that Obama would do exactly this a bunch of months ago.  Let’s check that out.

Cenk Uygur on June 22 2011 predicting Obama's progressiveness for 2012 electionVideo of Cenk Uygur on TYT:  President Obama tells us if he gets a second term, oh, boy, then he’s going to be a lion.  He was a lamb the whole first three years but watch out, as we get closer to the election, believe me, President Obama is going to sound a lot more progressive because the country is progressive.  He knows that’s how you get votes. 

Cenk Uygur:  And that turned out to be exactly right.  Here we go.  This is basically his first unofficial campaign event and all of a sudden President Obama sounds like a real progressive.  Me, personally, I’m not buying it.

But I want to talk to a real progressive.  Most certainly the most progressive senator, Bernie Sanders from Vermont.  Senator Sanders, great to have you with us.  First question for you:  you just heard what I said about President Obama.  Do you believe him when he does these great big progressive speeches?

Senator Bernie Sanders from VermontSenator Bernie Sanders:  Well, I think you ask the right question, Cenk, and that is, where has he been for the last three years?  The election is coming up.  He understands that the American people are sick and tired of seeing the rich get richer, the middle class collapsed, poverty growing, and he’s talking to that issue.

But in terms of Wall Street, we need to be breaking up these giant banks.  The President was not there. He reappointed Ben Bernanke to be chairman of the Fed.  We needed a new approach toward the Fed.  He didn’t do that.  So I think the answer is that what the American people have to do is say to this President, “look, if you want our support, you are going to have to do more than just talk the talk.  We want some legislation, we want some fight, we want you to start standing up, taking on the Republicans, and if they filibuster, you take them on, don’t cave in.”

Cenk Uygur:  So my theory is, that you act progressive to get votes because in fact Washington knows—they always claim otherwise on TV—but they know that the voters are actually progressive.  They can read polls, right?  But when you go to get the money, well, then you’ve got to be pro-establishment.  So Obama acts progressive, gets the votes, and then when he goes in office he gets Ben Bernanke, as you said, Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, Ron Emanuel, all the establishment guys.  He collects money for three years, and then he turns around and wants our vote again.

Bernie Sanders:  This is what Washington does know.  Washington does know that the American people do not want to cut social security, medicare, and Medicaid.  Washington knows that the American people want the government to start taking on the big money interests and Wall Street.  Washington understands that the American people are demanding that the wealthiest folks in this country start paying their fair share of taxes and that we end all of these outrageous loopholes that corporations now enjoy.  That’s what the polls tell us.  That’s what the vast majority of the American people want.

You are raising the question, which is a very good question, and I applaud you for raising it, is the President just giving us what the polls are telling him to do or is he, in fact, going to stand up and fight.  And what I am suggesting right now is that the progressive movement in this country has got to tell this President, “don’t take us for granted.  We want to see you right now, not next term, right now leading the real fight against right-wing extremism.” 

Cenk Uygur:  Now that’s exactly right, Senator Sanders.  So I think that the most important question is, how can the President prove himself over the next year, because the speeches are easy.  We heard the speeches before, then we saw the action.  So what can he do now before the election—he still has a year left—that would signal to progressives, that he is actually progressive and actually trying to get something done?

Bernie Sanders:  Alright, the President has got to go up there and say, “you know what?  I talked a little bit about cutting social security and medicare and Medicaid, I was wrong.  I ain’t going to do that.  In the middle of a recession, these are life and death programs for tens and tens of millions of Americans.  You have my word, we are going to defend to the death social security, medicare, and Medicaid.”

The President right now, as we go forward, you raised this point, I come from a cold weather state, the President talked about major cuts in the heating assistance program for low income people and seniors, the President has got to get on board and say, “sorry, we are going to defend those programs.  We are going to ask the wealthiest people in this country to start paying their fair share of taxes.”

I’ll tell you another issue that the Occupy Wall Street people raised very prominently, and that is the power of Wall Street:  the need to start breaking up these huge banks, the top six of which have assets equivalent to two-third’s of the GDP of the United States of America.  I would love to see this President get up there and say, “you know what?  Wall Street caused this recession.  We got many banks that are bigger now than they were before we bailed them out.  We are going to break them up.  That’s what we are going to do.  If Wall Street doesn’t like it, so what.”

Cenk Uygur:  Senator Sanders, unfortunately we are out of time, but I totally agree with you.  And there is a way to do it.  Unfortunately right now he is still offering medicare and social security cuts as concessions, which drives me crazy.  But you know what?  Even past the one hundred mistakes, if between now and the election, he breaks up the big banks, I say, alright, great, that’s it, mission accomplished.  That’s good enough for me.  I don’t want everything.  I just want some sign that you actually care and that you are actually going to take some action.

Bernie Sanders:  Cenk, I think what you want and the American people want to know that he has the guts to mix it up with the big money folks.

Cenk Uygur:  Exactly.  Senator Sanders who does have that guts, thank you so very much for joining us on the program. 

Transcribed by the Barefoot Accountant

Cenk Uygur on Current TV, interview of Vermont Senator, Bernie Sanders, on President Barack Obama’s recent progressive speeches.

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